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7 months 3 weeks ago#286674 by Mitch

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Hi all,

I’ve read that only 20% of people who submit a Mandatory Reconsideration for PIP are successful in getting an award.

What do the applications all these 20% of people have in common that make them win?

Is it extra evidence? How much evidence is needed? 1 GP letter? Or a GP letter plus consultant letter from friend’s letter?

I’m guessing it’s only evidence, but is there anything else?

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7 months 3 weeks ago#286701 by BIS

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Hi Mitch

I think it's impossible to say exactly what the people who win their MRs have in common except to say that they are able to show that they meet the criteria for PIP. Sometimes, assessors ignore information, or they don't understand the implication of information they have been given, or they apply their own views on what people are able to do, which is completely erroneous. Sometimes, a claimant simply has to go through the report and highlight where the assessor has said something and show why it is wrong by highlighting what they said or highlighting evidence they had already submitted.

The DWP and the assessors are notorious for ignoring the medical advice from medical professionals, including GPs and consultants from every medical field imaginable. So I can't tell you whether one letter or two letters will make a difference. The mistake that claimants often make is not to link the letters of the professionals to the PIP criteria. So for example - you can have a letter that says a claimant has severe arthritis that restricts their mobility. It's great to have that letter, but it's easy for the DWP to ignore the implications unless it's pointed out to them. So when people are talking about their inability to prepare a meal because of pain and lack of mobility - they should also say something like... "See letter from Dr X, confirming mobility problems, dated X." This makes it much easier for a non-medical person to understand that the evidence is there. What we, as claimants, think is obvious is not always obvious to the reader.

So I would say that there could be any number of reasons why someone wins their Mandatory Reconsideration - but it is hard to say exactly what the tipping point is other than they have proved they do reach the eligibility for an award and the assessor and decision maker were wrong in their initial judgment.

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7 months 3 weeks ago#286715 by Mitch

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Thank you BIS! So helpful!

Do letters from friends and family carry any weight?

What’s the best I can give evidence?

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7 months 3 weeks ago#286741 by Gordon

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They can but not so much at the reassessment stage, they are far more valuable if an appeal is required but that is no reason not to submit them.

Have you asked your GP for support? They may not be willing to help but if they are then there is a GP Notes document in the PIP section that will give structure to what they might say.

GP letters and referrals can be useful, if you don't have copies then you can request copies from your surgery, this should be a free service.

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FAQs

How do you answer a PIP question successfully? ›

Don't let the assessor rush you and try not to just answer 'yes' or 'no' to their questions. Always try to explain how doing something would make you feel afterwards and the impact it can have on you if you had to do it repeatedly in a short period of time.

What is the pass rate for PIP Mandatory Reconsideration? ›

The Government's figure for the mandatory reconsideration success rate is under 20%. That is for any additional points being scored, never mind getting to the points that persons should have scored.

How to win a PIP mr? ›

You need to give specific reasons why you disagree with the decision. Use your decision letter, statement of reasons and medical assessment report to make a note of each of the statements you disagree with and why. Give facts, examples and medical evidence (if available) to support what you're saying.

Has anyone won a Mandatory Reconsideration for PIP? ›

I've read that only 20% of people who submit a Mandatory Reconsideration for PIP are successful in getting an award.

What not to say in PIP assessment? ›

In the comments box you need to express yourself concisely and without room for interpretation. If your back hurts, for example, say 'my back hurts 4 days a week' but do not say 'my back hurts sometimes' or 'my back hurts often'. Words such as 'sometimes' and 'often' are open to interpretation.

How to score high on PIP? ›

PIP Points Scores Daily Living Activities
  1. Preparing food. ...
  2. Taking nutrition. ...
  3. Managing therapy or monitoring a health condition. ...
  4. Washing and bathing. ...
  5. Managing toilet needs or incontinence. ...
  6. Dressing and undressing. ...
  7. Communicating verbally. ...
  8. Reading and understanding signs, symbols and words.

What conditions are most likely to be awarded PIP? ›

Psychiatric disorders

With 37% of people receiving PIP having a psychiatric disorder, it is the most common condition people receiving PIP claim for. Psychiatric disorders are mental health conditions that can affect how a person thinks and feels about themselves and/or the world around them.

How often is PIP denied? ›

Review outcomes from February 2019 to January 2024 (last five years)
Planned Award ReviewChange of Circ*mstance
Award Maintained52%37%
Award Decreased8%5%
Award Disallowed20%9%
Withdrawn or voluntarily relinquishedn/a4%
1 more row
Mar 19, 2024

What are the chances of winning a Mandatory Reconsideration? ›

Your chances of success at mandatory reconsideration stage are very poor. The latest statistics show that only around 14% of mandatory reconsiderations resulted in a better decision for the claimant.

What is the best evidence for PIP? ›

If you want to put supporting evidence in your claim, these are good papers to include:
  • Medical records.
  • Sick notes.
  • Prescriptions.
  • Diary of daily routine.
  • Letters from medical professionals.
  • Letters from other professionals.
  • Letters from other people who help you.

How do I make a successful PIP claim? ›

To qualify for PIP, you need to show that you need help with the activities on more than half the days in a year. Make it clear on the form how often you have problems with the activities. If your health changes, explain how often this happens and the effect it has on you. It may help to keep a diary.

How can I increase my chances of getting PIP? ›

It's useful to include evidence from health professionals on how your condition affects you. It can give the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) a clearer picture of how your condition affects you and give you a better chance of being properly assessed.

How long does a MR for PIP take? ›

The DWP does not have a deadline for doing the Mandatory Reconsideration. Some reconsiderations take two weeks, some take several months. If you have not received your Mandatory Reconsideration Notice, it is a good idea to call the DWP after: 2 weeks to check they have logged your Mandatory Reconsideration.

Who looks at a Mandatory Reconsideration? ›

If you don't agree with a benefit decision, you can challenge it. To do this, you need to ask the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) or HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) to look at their decision again. This is called asking for a 'mandatory reconsideration'.

What happens if you fail PIP? ›

If you fail to improve after the first or final warning, this could ultimately lead to your dismissal based on your capability although you would usually be expected to have one final extension of time under a PIP (or new PIP) in which to improve.

How do you respond to being put on a PIP? ›

How to respond to a performance improvement plan
  1. Have a positive attitude. ...
  2. Take responsibility. ...
  3. Request extra time. ...
  4. Ask for help. ...
  5. Double your effort. ...
  6. Check in regularly. ...
  7. Talk with your team. ...
  8. Set your own goals.
Jul 30, 2024

How to make a successful claim for PIP? ›

To qualify for PIP, you need to show that you need help with the activities on more than half the days in a year. Make it clear on the form how often you have problems with the activities. If your health changes, explain how often this happens and the effect it has on you. It may help to keep a diary.

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