Landing Procdedures - O'Hare Noise Compatibility Commission (2024)

Frequently Asked Questions for Landing Procedures

On January 13, 2015 United Airlines Assistant Chief Pilot Jeff Bayless answered questions from ONCC Technical Committee members regarding landing procedures based on the pilot's experience.

Who controls the speed of arriving aircraft?
The control tower determines the speed of the aircraft. Aircraft speed dictates when the flaps come down. The slower the aircraft, the more flaps have to come down in order to protect the airplane from stalling. All of United's pilots are highly trained on the procedure and safety is a priority.

What is the typical speed of arriving aircraft?
Typically aircraft speed is 180 knots five miles out from the airport. Five miles usually is considered the outer marker for the final approach fix. At that point, landing gear and flaps will be down. Anywhere from about 1,500 feet to 1,000 feet of altitude, the aircraft will have flaps down and will be on autopilot on the 3 degree glide slope. There is a GPS tracking in the ILS system which indicates 3 degrees. If the aircraft goes below 3 degrees it becomes unsafe.

What factor does speed play in landing an aircraft?
Speed also affects the lowering of landing gear. If air traffic has a pilot going too fast approaching the outer marker, he or she has to be slowed down in order to be in a stabilized configuration before reaching an altitude of 1,000 feet. If not, the pilot has to go around. Flight Operations Quality Assurance Program tracks all operations. This system monitors all airplanes. The goal is to have a safe flight and safe landing. Safe flight means the 3 degree glide slope that stabilizes the aircraft.

Does air traffic control dictate the speed of the aircraft?
Based on the amount of traffic and if there are a lot of aircraft involved, air traffic control has to spread out the aircraft for safety reasons. For example, a Boeing 777 would require a smaller aircraft to stay about five miles behind that aircraft. Air traffic also takes into consideration departures. Arrivals are maintained in a "highway" taking into account departing aircraft to avoid conflict. The later a pilot lowers the flaps, the more fuel savings for the aircraft.

Does most aircraft noise come from landing gear?
The greatest noise impact comes from the aircraft engine rather than the landing gear.

Does slowing down the aircraft require more power?
Not exactly. The flat flap wing is very efficient at high speed and a round wing is very efficient at low speed. So at the low end of the angle you have to have the flaps out otherwise the wing will stall.

How is landing gear activated based on air speed before 5 miles out?
Most aircraft are typically at 10 knots at five miles out depending on the aircraft in route. This gives the pilot enough time to get off the runway. At six to five miles out is typically when the landing gear is dropped. Weather also is a factor and not a lot of power is being used at the 3 degree glide slope.

Would increasing the glide slope to a 3.5 degree angle change the experience coming into O'Hare?
If you're at a 5 knot tail wind then the 3.5 degree glide slope would make the aircraft unstable. At 3.5 degree the aircraft may not be stable and might exacerbate the problem and cause the pilot to go around because the aircraft is unstable. The pilot is always following the 3 degree glide slope and there is an indicator that tells the pilot that the aircraft is not on the 3 degree glide slope. There are very few rare occasions that the aircraft would go below the glide slope.

Is there a different procedure during the "Fly Quiet" hours?
There is no difference in training for day or night.

Are United pilots trained specifically for the O'Hare Fly Quiet Program?
All United Airline pilots are trained every nine months and noise abatement procedures are generally discussed.

Are the O'Hare Fly Quiet procedures found in the Jeppesen Manuals?
Not necessarily "Fly Quiet", but pilots are following noise abatement procedures. Pilots are not trained for specific airports such as O'Hare's "Fly Quiet" because noise abatement procedures are in place at ALL airports including O'Hare.

Is the 3 degree glide slope a standard procedure at all airports?
Yes unless terrain poses an issue. The 3 degree glide slope is a stable, safe approach. If an aircraft goes steeper and the winds were an issue, the aircraft would have a problem stopping on the runway.

When does a pilot turn on auto pilot?
That depends on the weather. For example, on a foggy day the auto pilot will steer the nose of the plane on the center line. Pilots turn off the auto pilot to taxi off the runway. On a clear day the auto pilot will be off when the aircraft is stabilized and final flaps are activated on the 3 degree glide slope. The pilot always wants to make the landing as smooth as possible. The auto pilot is a bit more mechanical; a pilot that lands without the autopilot has a much smoother landing.

What determines banking the aircraft?
Aircraft will fly straight ahead until 400 feet and then turn according to the heading given by air traffic control unless there are safety reasons or obstacles. It also depends on the runway and which direction the aircraft is headed. Typically air traffic control wants the pilot to turn fairly quickly to get out of the area. That question would be better answered by air traffic control.

Deviating flights from the preferential flight tracks are of concern, is it up to the pilot or is that turn an air traffic control direction?
The air traffic controller tells pilots when to turn. It would depend on the traffic around O'Hare.

What about the effects of cross winds and the decommissioning of the diagonal runways at O'Hare?
An aircraft angles into the wind and as far as the airplane is concerned it's flying straight into the wind. For the ground track that has to be aligned with the runway so it's called a slide slip, but there is a lot of head wind and the power varies. As you get closer to the ground, the aircraft has to be aligned with the runway. The aircraft is controlled and drags the airplane closer to the ground.

Landing typically happens on the east/west runways and rarely on the diagonal runways.

Landing Procdedures - O'Hare Noise Compatibility Commission (2024)

FAQs

At what altitude does landing gear come down? ›

Generally, an airline flight will be following an instrument approach even if they're visual. The normal practice would be to select gear down when approaching the glideslope intercept, about 1500 feet above the ground and about 5–6 nautical miles from the airport.

What are the two main areas of noise concerns when it comes to the flight phase of aircraft? ›

The two primary sources of airport noise are aerodynamic (when air passes over the frame) and engine.

When to deploy landing gear? ›

Landing gear must be deployed before attempting to dock on a Landing Pad or land on the surface of a terrestrial body with a ship. A ship's COVAS will issue an audible warning if the ship approaches a Landing Pad without deploying landing gear.

How far from airport gear down? ›

10nm usually is the trigger. As soon as we're within 10-15nm from the airport first notch of flaps usually come in. I personally aim for 6.5nm on final before I drop the gear. Takes about 1nm for the gear to come down.

Why do landing gear tilt on 747? ›

The main reason for tilting was to be able to fit these gigantic gear and wheel bogies into the wheel wells.

Can pilots forget to lower landing gear? ›

A C-17 Globemaster after a belly-landing at Bagram Airfield, Afghanistan (2009). The cause of this was later determined to be pilot error. The most common cause of gear-up landings is the pilot simply forgetting to extend the landing gear before touchdown.

What is the noisiest passenger plane? ›

The 737 is the loudest aircraft at 4.9 decibels higher than the average of Embraer regional jets (E-135; E-145; E-170; E-175 and E-190). Since noise measurement uses a logarithmic scale, the noise differential between the “louder” 737 and Embraer regional jets is about 50%.

What is Stage 5 noise regulation? ›

The new Stage 5 standard requires a cumulative reduction of 7 EPNdB (Effective Perceived Noise Level, in decibels) from Stage 4 standards, which correlate to ICAO's Chapter 4 standards. Chapter 4 or Stage 4 standards, adopted in 2006, required a cumulative reduction of 10 EPNdB from the Chapter 3 limit.

What are the Stage 3 noise standards for aircraft? ›

The FAA requires all large commercial aircraft to meet Stage 3 noise standards, generally meaning they generate 89-106 decibels, depending on phase of flight, number of engines and aircraft weight.

What is the unsafe landing gear indication? ›

The principle is simple - a green light when the landing gear is down and locked and a red light when there is a discrepancy between the gear lever and landing gear positions. The unsafe indication might be the first sign of a problem related to the proper preparation of the landing gear for landing.

When landing should flaps be up or down? ›

On takeoff, we want high lift and low drag, so the flaps will be set downward at a moderate setting. During landing we want high lift and high drag, so the flaps and slats will be fully deployed.

How do pilots know landing gear is down? ›

Depending on the specific aircraft's procedures, we'll announce 'Gear Down, 3 Green' as we prepare to extend the landing gear. The decision to lower the gear typically occurs on a 7-mile final approach, though this may vary depending on the airline's policy. IRL speaking, 6.5nm from the end of the runway for me.

What is the 3 2 1 rule in aviation? ›

It's called the 3-2-1 rule, and it's the easiest way to remember the regulation. To recap, if the weather at your destination isn't at least 3 SM of visibility and 2000' AGL ceilings from 1 hour before to 1 hour after your ETA, you need to file an alternate.

What is the 1 in 60 rule in aviation? ›

What the 1 in 60 rule states is that if you've flown 60 miles, and you are 1 mile off track, your track error is 1 degree. This means that if you change your heading by one degree to the right, you'll be flying parallel to your planned track.

What is the 1 in 3 rule in flying? ›

In aviation, the rule of three or "3:1 rule of descent" is a rule of thumb that 3 nautical miles (5.6 km) of travel should be allowed for every 1,000 feet (300 m) of descent.

How far out to drop landing gear? ›

The decision to lower the gear typically occurs on a 7-mile final approach, though this may vary depending on the airline's policy.

What is minimum descent altitude landing? ›

Minimum Descent Altitude (MDA) is the lowest altitude prescribed in an instrument approach procedure, expressed in feet above mean sea level (MSL), at which an aircraft can descend without having sufficient visual reference to continue to a safe landing on the intended runway.

What altitude do flight levels start? ›

In summary, flight level is a type of altitude used in aviation that is standardized and measured above a certain altitude, typically 18,000 feet above mean sea level. It is used to reduce the number of altitude corrections required for changes in atmospheric pressure and is measured using a standard pressure setting.

Can you fly with landing gear down? ›

Structural Considerations: Flight with the gear down is likely to involve limitations on both indicated airspeed and cruising altitude. Crew Considerations. Extended flight with the gear locked down is very noisy, impacting on both the environment within the cabin and on pilot fatigue levels.

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