Don’t Add a Second Box Too Soon – May 2019 – Eco Bee Box – Modern Urban Beekeeping (2024)

Posted on October 29, 2019 by ecoadmin

In spring many beekeepers acquire a 3lb package of spring honey bees with a newly mated young queen. The zealous beekeeper is anxious to see growth, BUT please consider a few thoughts before the “let’s do this” hurts your colony.

On the 5th of April 2019, we brought packages back to Utah from the OHB honey day in Northern California. These packages were turned over to beekeepers on Sunday the 6th and hived that day and up to a few days later. Understanding bee growth and their biological clock is vital this time of year.

Once the bees are put into the hive and the newly adopted queen accepted, it still can take a couple of days for the queen to lay. So, let us start our numbers on April 10th for easy figures. A queen can lay up to 1500 eggs a day. A standard deep frame holds 3500 cells. With this tidbit, it would take 2-3 days for her to lay one standard deep Langstroth frame. If it is a mini frame, there are 1500 cells, so it takes about a day to lay one frame. A deep box then has up to 35,000 cells. If the queen was to lay 1500 eggs a day it would take her about 23 days to do so. In a medium mini framed box, there are 30 frames with 1500 cells, that takes then 30 days to fill.

Understand that in some cases the bees are having to draw out the frames as well. This delays the ability of the queen to lay in a cell that has not been made yet, nor are there bees to care for the new tender life.

Now for a challenge, after 2-3 weeks it may look like the colony is growing but not a single egg has matured yet into a young bee. If another box is placed on top the hive or under the hive, the bees will do one of two things, 1) leave it alone, or 2) their population will thin and disperse into the new space leaving the clustering bees that were caring for young to prepare this new space or clean it up.

A bee lives 4-6 weeks, and some of the bees in the package were older bees to begin with. A natural progression in the bee’s life will claim the lives of some bees prior to the first “emergence” of new young bees. So the colony will actually shrink. Adding another box too soon is a really difficult thing for this new colony.

Now consider, if a cool (snow or rain) spell comes along after you added the box and inadvertently thinned the bees, now there is a risk of the cluster not covering all the young brood and if they get chilled you lose young to death by chilling. It will look like Foulbrood, but it is simply the larvae are dying. Had the hive stayed the way it was, more bees would have emerged!

When to add the new box? Let the bees care for and let the first cycle complete, which is 21 days plus a few. The second “emergence” will happen after the second 21-day cycle. Also, know that the queen does not lay the eggs all at once so there is a slow progression of new bees appearing daily. This does not happen all at once.

We would only consider blindly adding a second box during the emergence of the 2nd cycle.

Consider if the bees are having to naturally forage, it may take a bit to bring in resources to grow. Pollen, converted to bee bread, generates “royal jelly” which feeds the young and the queen. If it is in limited supply, you can buy and add this to your newly hived package. Consider the weather, it can be cool so the bees are equally slow or lethargic to grow too. If the bees are having to build all new wax, this takes time compared to frames being all formed and ready. Fresh nectar helps bees produce wax (or in spring 2 parts water to 1 part sugar supplemented with nutrients). Rain and snow can slow your colony as does mistakes by the new beekeeper – all may inhibit this colony from growing.

The takeaway here is don’t add a second box too soon after hiving your package. May 1st young will begin emerging from cells in our example noted above but many older bees have now gone to the Sweet Hive in the Sky.

Question asked: Is this the same for a Nuc? No. A nuc comes with, or should come with, eggs, uncapped open brood, and capped brood, and a mated laying queen. Capped brood is going to emerge within 8-10 days. The queen will refill the cells and then more space is needed. The nuc should be put into a hive with space to grow as they are ready. A nuc compared to a package, the nuc is considerably further ahead (about a month). There are risks with a nuc as it is considered a second-year colony and mites will be a threat early.

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Don’t Add a Second Box Too Soon – May 2019 – Eco Bee Box – Modern Urban Beekeeping (1)

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Don’t Add a Second Box Too Soon – May 2019 – Eco Bee Box – Modern Urban Beekeeping (2024)

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Don’t Add a Second Box Too Soon – May 2019 – Eco Bee Box – Modern Urban Beekeeping? ›

If another box is placed on top the hive or under the hive, the bees will do one of two things, 1) leave it alone, or 2) their population will thin and disperse into the new space leaving the clustering bees that were caring for young to prepare this new space or clean it up.

What happens if you add a second brood box too soon? ›

If its too soon for the second brood box, they may tear at the wax or fill it with nectar and turn it into honey. If the queen needs more room , the bees give you a clue. Look to your bees and the way the queen is running about the hive from comb to comb, looking to lay her eggs.

Do I need a second brood box? ›

“If you want to do the approach of minimum hive numbers and maximum management, then a single brood box is the way to go. However, if you want to be able to manage a larger number of hives with less input into each, then a double brood box will be much better,” says Dr Mark Goodwin.

Will adding a brood box prevent swarming? ›

Reversing the position of your brood boxes — and adding an additional box, if necessary — creates space in the brood nest and encourages the colony to expand upward instead of swarming. Consider temporarily increasing the number of brood boxes in the spring, providing you can do so with mostly drawn comb.

What temperature kills brood? ›

1. The brood will die if the body temperature exceeds 960F.

Where to add a second brood box? ›

The idea is to give the bees all the resources that they need to make it through winter before you add the super. The super will be used for harvesting honey for you, and you should probably take it off for the winter, so that it doesn't get gummed up with propolis. Generally people put the new brood box on top.

How long does it take to fill a second brood box? ›

A deep box then has up to 35,000 cells. If the queen was to lay 1500 eggs a day it would take her about 23 days to do so. In a medium mini framed box, there are 30 frames with 1500 cells, that takes then 30 days to fill. Understand that in some cases the bees are having to draw out the frames as well.

Can you put 2 beehives next to each other? ›

You can space a pair of hives as close to six inches from each other, but you need several feet of space around one or two sides in order to move equipment around as you're working the hives. Know what predators (man or beast) are in your area and what protection your bees will need.

Will bees move honey out of brood box? ›

The bees will move honey “upstairs” to the supers if it's available. Beekeepers can then harvest honey from only the supers, leaving honey in the brood boxes for the bees to use in winter.

Can bees survive winter in one brood box? ›

In a single box, they keep their cluster tight, and have plenty of population packed around the winter brood nest. This tight space also keeps the bees relatively compressed around the entrance, affording them better protection against robber bees and other pests.

Should I add a super or brood box? ›

Beekeepers should add honey supers, or medium boxes to the hive when the nectar flow starts or just before it starts. Additional boxes should be added to the hive before the previously added honey super is full.

When to add a second box? ›

Add your next box once the bees have drawn out 5-7 combs in their first box.

When should I add another box to my beehive? ›

If your box has 6 or more full frames in a ten frame box, add more room. If your box has 5 full frames, but appears to be overrun with bees, add another box. Anything else, give them some more time before adding more space. The only hard lined rule in this is; your hive WILL swarm when it feels cramped.

When to add a second super? ›

The clearest sign your bees are ready for a new super is full frames of honey or brood in the existing ones. Don't wait till your current supers are overflowing, but look at how many frames are full. If seven or eight frames of a ten-frame super are replete with sealed honey or brood, it's time for a new super.

Can you have 2 brood boxes on a flow hive? ›

In our experience, either one or two brood boxes work well. In our region (Northern NSW, Australia) we have found that running a single brood box will lead to honey being stored in the Flow Frames much earlier, especially when your bees are using them for the first time.

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